Intention Setting: Your New Superpower for Growth
Welcome to the Counter Culture Health podcast. I'm doctor Jen McWaters. And I'm coach Kaitlin Reed. We're here to help high achieving women overcome mental blocks, find freedom from anxiety, create an abundant life, and build the body and life that they deserve and desire. In this weekly podcast, we'll uncover the raw truth about mental health, nutrition, fitness, and beyond. Let's get to it.
Kaitlin:Hey, friends. Welcome back to another week with us here at Counter Culture Health. Today, in spite of the new year, we are going to talk about goal setting, or maybe more intention setting rather than using goal setting, and just getting started to think about that as we jump into the new year, and look forward to the next 12 months. So doctor Jen, take it away.
Jen:Yes. Well, welcome back, guys. We are excited to do this topic because I know that for many folks and many clients, the word goals can be triggering for a whole host of reasons, but we hear the word goals all the time, almost like we tune the word out and it's lost its meaning. But, also, goals often is triggering because it reminds us of all the things we haven't followed through on. Alright?
Jen:It brings up all of this discomfort around the goals we previously had set with lots of gusto and good intention that we did not follow through on or feel like we failed at. And so to Caitlin's point, sometimes it's helpful just to start fresh and think about intention instead, which I think is a gentler word and, feels maybe less rigid and is a good place to start with what you wanna be thinking about, you want to change in the coming year. And, of course, because this is a January episode, this is the time of year where you hear a lot about intention, goal setting, new resolutions. So we thought it'd be really appropriate to help you guys think through this today and especially if you are someone who typically likes to set resolutions or near goals, maybe some different ways to do that to help you be more successful. So with that, let's think about what is the reason what are the reasons why people struggle with follow through on their goals?
Jen:So I'm gonna ask you, Kaitlin, what do you think off the bat? If you just were asked that question, why do people struggle with follow through? Why do they fail at their goals?
Kaitlin:Lots of reasons. But I think the in my space, anyways, the biggest one is that when people are thinking about this, they're usually in, like, a very motivated state, and so they have, like, these, big goals and all of these thing this, you know, this big thing that they want to accomplish, and they're thinking about it when they're motivated. As we know, we don't always feel motivated to do things. Like, motivation is fleeting. It comes and goes all of the time.
Kaitlin:And so if we only do things when we're motivated, we're going to fail every single time. You know, if we only do things when we feel like doing them or, when we're motivated to do them, it's just not going to work out. And so, you know, and that's where discipline comes into play too is still doing the thing that you know you need to do even if you don't feel like doing it because you know that it's best for you and that it's, going to move you in the right direction. And so I think that's, like, that's the biggest thing that I see. Also, there's a lot of, like, fear of succeeding, fear of change.
Kaitlin:Like, even though they want it, there's still this it's like the unknown. Right? Like, where we are, we know what to expect. It's safe and uncomfortable. If we commit to something else, there's this unknown and this change that we now have to face.
Kaitlin:And so although it sounds like a good idea or seems like a good idea, when we actually get to that place, sometimes we freeze and don't do anything at all. Self sabotage can start to come into play as well. And sometimes just making too big of a goal or being unrealistic with your goals and what you want to accomplish. And I always say, like, small is small is better because those small things every single day is what's going to add up to the big result. So I was thinking about the small things that we need to do to piece together to get to the big result, not thinking about the big picture at the end we wanna get to.
Jen:Yes.
Kaitlin:So there's a lot of things that I see. I love that. In working with people.
Jen:Yeah. So let's start at the I'm gonna pull in some of what you said and then add some things too. But the top one, I think, is relying on motivation, which is really relying on your feelings. I think that is the main thing that trips people up because so many of the things we do are things we commit to in in a moment dependent on how we feel. And then that feeling shifts or changes, the motivation goes down, whatever it is.
Jen:And so then we're like, well, I just don't feel like doing that. I hear that from clients. Like, I don't feel like doing that, so I didn't do it. And I always challenge them. It's like, well, but what what do you value?
Jen:What really matters to you? Why did you accept the goal in the 1st place? Probably not just because of what you feel, but what you really want, what you really believe, and the life you wanna create. So we need to really focus on our values and what matters to us. And to your point, even discipline, the kind of person we wanna be instead of how we feel and how motivated we are.
Jen:In psychology, we often talk about how action comes before motivation. We can't rely on motivation to then spur on action. That's what people do. They're like, well, I didn't feel it, so I didn't go to the gym. Right?
Jen:Simple example. And so we always say, psychologists, it's you need to first take the action and figure out how to get to that place and then trust that the motivation over time will come. Because, you know, that's the case. Once you start to see the results from exercising, eating well, sleeping better, that becomes self reinforcing, and your motivation to do it goes up. But initially, to start something new, the motivation is gonna be very up and down.
Jen:You cannot rely on it at all to get you to where you wanna be. So I think that's the biggest thing that sets people back for sure. And, again, instead of doing that, the key would be to rely on your values, rely on your discipline, and some other things we're gonna talk about today. So that's the first one. We know the the pitfalls are relying on your motivation.
Jen:The second one, I think, is key that you said too, which is being unrealistic. Like, really take into account your life, the season of life you're in, responsibilities you have, the time you have, maybe even your past experiences, past efforts. And is this a realistic goal to have right now? And we want people to challenge themselves, but you also don't want it to be overwhelming. So you have to find that sweet spot between, I wanna feel pushed and I wanna feel some discomfort.
Jen:But if I go into overwhelm mode or panic mode or stress mode, I no longer can really function. I'm not gonna be successful. So trying to find that sweet spot is really key between those two extremes.
Kaitlin:Yeah. Yep. Totally agree with that.
Jen:Yes. So I think the 3rd big one is going to be lack of accountability slash support or community. Because I think
Kaitlin:most
Jen:of the time, I always tell people, I just ran a group and I told my group this, and, like, I really believe that the biggest reason for failure for people when it comes to, like, a business, goals, health habits is lack of accountability. Because having accountability can make up for not having motivation, or even sometimes having a goal that might be a little bit too big. If you have someone really keeping you on track, someone who is, gonna call you out on things when that needs to happen, someone's gonna hold your hand through it and help you be creative and figure out how to overcome those obstacles, you don't have that, it's probably not gonna happen. Because even the most successful athletes and business people, you know, people that are successful by all worldly definitions, hire and pay for coaches and mentors and whatever it takes. Even if they're already highly successful, they'll pay money to get into a room with people even more successful than them or just to have someone who's going to keep them accountable to keep them moving forward and growing because our tendency is to fall back into the comfort zone as humans.
Jen:So we really do need to create accountability to move us forward into the growth zone continually.
Kaitlin:Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a very important piece too is that sometimes people think that athletes or successful people or accomplished people always feel motivated to be doing things, and they don't at all. Like, I don't always feel like working out. You know?
Kaitlin:I don't always feel like showing up, but I do it anyways because I know it's what's best for me. So it's even, like, even, like the best of the best and the accomplished people too don't always feel like it too. And that might, like, what it might seem like or look like from the outside looking in, But from those people's internal world, that's not always what's going on too.
Jen:Totally. Yeah. I I think that is so important, and we all need something or someone. I mean, I've had business coaches, personal coaches, found therapists. So, you know, the people that you see that you probably think are solo successful probably have invested a lot of time and money and effort into getting to that place through the help of other people.
Kaitlin:Mhmm.
Jen:And so we need to apply that to ourselves, just creating
Kaitlin:team everything.
Jen:Yes. Yes. Yes. And, again, they're not gonna go on interviews and tell sometimes they do, but usually don't tell you all of the things they've invested in to get to that point from other people. But that's usually that's usually how they get there.
Kaitlin:Mhmm. Yeah. So important.
Jen:Yeah. So we'll talk more about that, but that's a really key one is just having that. And then maybe you can speak more to this too, Caitlin. But I think community slash support is really big, especially when it comes to things like health habits. Because I know some of the most successful things people have done involve community.
Jen:So whether that's an app or something competitive for people when it comes to, like, workout goals, nutrition goals, You know, that's how all those big even things like Weight Watchers, right, they have some success is through this accountability slash support and having a community of people going through it with you. So how do you think how is that when you don't have that, how is that a pitfall for people?
Kaitlin:Yeah. Well, I think it's super easy to, when you don't have community and when you're on your own, it's very easy to get in your own head or just be in your own world and, you know, struggling on your own, it and can be very defeating and make you not wanna keep going. So having that community of people to, connect with that are also going through the same thing as you are, having the same struggles. Because when you're on your own, you feel like you're the only one that is experiencing this in the entire world. It's like it can be very easy, but why me?
Kaitlin:Why am I start I'm the only one that deals with this. But then you get into a community of people and you start talking about it, and you're like, oh, everybody struggles with this. This is, like, a very common struggle, or you can connect with people that have already overcome what you are currently going through so they can help and guide you, yeah, through that that same thing. So that's where I think community is so super important in the health space.
Jen:Yeah. And that's also in the mental health space why support groups are successful, group therapy is successful. Even though the common complaint I hear, excuse me, is I don't wanna do that because it's uncomfortable or it's vulnerable. I don't want other people to know my stuff. But the reality is, like to your point, we all have this shared experience, and there's something really powerful and unique that happens when you're working with a community of people rather than just by yourself or even 1 on 1.
Jen:So, like, group coaching is a very different experience for clients than 1 on 1 coaching. They're both incredibly valuable just in different ways. So if there's something you are struggling with, you haven't seen much success, I really would encourage you to think about the community aspect because I think that could be a big mover for a lot of people in getting them from point a to point b. And it's uncomfortable. Right?
Jen:There's just comfort with that vulnerability. But if you really value something and you want to get to that point, you probably gonna have to deal with some uncomfortable things to get there.
Kaitlin:Yeah.
Jen:But it will all be worth it, and you'll probably see it, like, it was worth it in the end and wish you'd done it sooner. Yeah.
Kaitlin:I always tell people, yeah, both options are gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard to be on your own and struggle on your own. It's gonna be hard to show up to a group of people and be vulnerable and talk about it, but you get to choose your hard. Both options are hard. What hard do you want?
Kaitlin:And, also, our mind likes to play tricks on us and think that, like, create stories and scenarios about what this experience is going to be like. But then once we do it, we realize like, oh, that wasn't as bad as what my mind was creating it to be. And, actually, now I feel even better.
Jen:Yes. I love that. And those are couple of my favorite quotes I've heard as of late. It's, like, choose your hard is a big one because everything is hard. Just choose which one you wanna take them on.
Jen:And then I love learning how well, what is it? The quote is being comfortable with being uncomfortable, essentially. I think those are the 2 mantras that we all need to hold close, and that is the crux of all of it. Right? To get from point a to point b, you have to be willing to do the hard work and know it's going to be hard and accept that, and you also have to accept the discomfort to get there.
Jen:And that involves all these things we're talking about today. But if you can do that, that's gonna move you beyond, like, 99% of people who don't wanna do something hard and don't wanna be uncomfortable, because that's just human nature.
Kaitlin:Yeah. Right? Huge. Yeah. Key to success, really.
Jen:Yes. And then the last thing here I thought about, which is maybe we don't think about as much as consistency. I think that is really key because some people have a you know, I think some people are lean more towards consistency. Like, it's easier for them, and some people tend to be on a, like, a stop start, or they get waves of motivation, inspiration, passion about something, and then it goes away and then it comes back. That's not necessarily wrong.
Jen:I just feel like I've seen that when people are consistent and really break things up into small, realistic, measurable, attainable things, they tend to move farther along, and they tend not to give up as quickly versus the people that rely on the intensity and the passion and all of that. They're more likely, I think, to burn out in my experience. So that was something I thought about as we were thinking about this topic for today is consistency. Is that is really key, and I think that's where people get stuck is that, especially when it comes to health goals because it can be very overwhelming to make those changes and even changes in your relationship. Right?
Jen:Like, we want it to happen overnight. We want instant gratification. But in the day, it's these small, consistent steps that are what create the success and the change.
Kaitlin:Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. And the result never comes without consistency. And that's that's just the way it works.
Kaitlin:Like, you have to be consistent for days upon days upon days upon weeks upon weeks upon months in order to get the result that you want, and a lot of people don't like to hear that. Because now we're I mean, we live in a world now where everything is instant. I click on this, and I get it. I order this, and I get it. And so we want our bodies to be the same way, and they don't function like that.
Kaitlin:So, along with it needs to come patience as well because you will not get the result that you want if you're not consistent, and I'm not talking about stringing a couple days together and thinking that something's going to change. It's it's nuts, especially when we start talking about building muscle and losing body fat like most people want to do. It is a painfully slow process, and it's even slower when you're not consistent. And so it's like you gotta I always tell people when they start, you have to have you have to change your days weeks mindset to years mindset when it comes to this. And people don't like that, but it's like, you know, what are you willing to do to actually get what you want?
Jen:Yeah. Yeah. I like that question, and I deal with the same thing. You know, whether it's mental health improvements people wanna see, they wanna usually change their mindset. They have a lot of negative beliefs about themselves.
Jen:They wanna start a business, when they work with business owners or new business owners. It's all the same stuff. It's like it's the consistency, the habits, breaking it down, and realizing that's that's what it's gonna take, and there's no instant gratification in this. And you're gonna be very disappointed if that's what you expect. Yep.
Jen:Yeah.
Kaitlin:You're gonna a lot of starting and stopping. Yep.
Jen:I know. I tell people that this is gonna be the most boring and unsexy thing that you do, but every day, like, I need you to write down your negative thoughts and reframe them. And it's like, ugh, no one wants to hear that. No one wants to do it. It's not fun.
Jen:It's not we don't get endorphin rush from it. You know? But it's like it's Yep. Let's say it's brain hygiene. Like, if you wanna make this change, it's like brushing your teeth.
Jen:If you wanna get rid of gum disease, it's the habit every single day, day after day, week after week, and then you will get there. It might take a few weeks. It might take a few months. It might take a few years, but you will get there if you just do it. Keep doing it consistently.
Jen:And then, again, do the other things like accountability to make sure you stay on track. But it's the boring stuff that gets us where we wanna be. Right?
Kaitlin:The very boring, mundane
Jen:Yes.
Kaitlin:Things are what make the biggest, in doubt.
Jen:Yes. Yeah. And I'll just say when it comes to mindset, because that's what I work with the most, is that is that is what it is. Like, neural pathways take a long time to develop, and they take time to unwire and rewire. But you can.
Jen:You can actually rewire your brain. We know this based off of science and studies. You can rewire your brain to think differently, to believe differently. You put in the work to do that, which usually requires some thought restructuring, identifying what those thoughts are that aren't healthy, that are toxic, and working to reframe them and change them and challenge them, and then adopting a new healthy thought, and then practicing that new thought. That's basically it.
Jen:And it it's, you know, kind of simple, but it's just the work. No one wants to put the work in to do it. And so we walk around with these really toxic, self limiting beliefs that are holding us back from creating life that we want. And it makes me so sad because we're holding ourselves back. There's nothing really in the way.
Jen:It's just a belief. And the thought's just a thought. Just because you have it doesn't make it true. Say that to clients all the time. So if you're struggling with your mindset, just, again, don't think you have to go spend a lot of money, even hire kind of, you know, high level professionals.
Jen:You don't have to read, like, a 1000000 books. The basics. It's the basics that really work. Maybe grab a book, maybe work with a therapist or coach, get the tools, and then practice the tools because that's where people struggle. It's easy to show up to a session every week.
Jen:It's much harder to do the homework in between every single day.
Kaitlin:Mhmm. I say repetition, repetition, repetition.
Jen:Yes. Yes. So let's switch it into practically what can you do. So we talked about what are the roadblocks, where do people get hung up, what are things you can do, and then I'll also share something that my spouse and I do together, that I think is a great practice for couples out there to consider adopting as well. But I'm gonna use an acronym that I use in coaching called ACTS, a c t s.
Jen:This is the ACTS Success Plan, and you'll hear a lot of the same things we just were talking about. But just think about what you could do with each of these letters and the acronym and do something different so that you can have success this coming year in what you wanna change, what you wanna accomplish, what your intentions are. And it can be, again, can be specific health goals, business goals, but also relationship goals, just the kind of person you wanna be, things you wanna change, maybe about how you show up in the world, whatever it is. So first one, a, is accountability, like we talked about. Find accountability to help you stick to your intention.
Jen:So I want you to think about this and ideally write it down, like, who is gonna be your accountability partner? Okay. And this could be a coach, could be someone you hire, could be a therapist, could be a friend, a mentor, support group, a church group, a you know, your partner, potentially too. I try to encourage people to choose someone aside from that as well. Sometimes our partners have the best intentions, but they love us and want to be gentle with us and may let us off the hook, depending on your right?
Jen:So that's okay. It's but also add someone else to that list too. So find an accountability partner. That is a. The c is for consistent effort.
Jen:So consistent actions create the most change. So what core actions do you need to take consistently, and how are you gonna commit to those? So it's really important to identify that. Like, what is the thing? So is that I need to do thought work every single day.
Jen:I need to meditate for 5 minutes. I need to go to the gym. I need to hire this person. Tell me to do that. Like, what is the small, consistent efforts that you need to do to create those building blocks of change?
Jen:And, again, trusting that motivation will come as you continue to be consistent. The t is for take ownership, which is just really thinking about oh, I know. We didn't talk about this yet. But
Kaitlin:responsibility.
Jen:Yes. Is you need to do what it takes to get there. So what's your plan to make sure you get there? You need to think of it like there's no other option. Right?
Jen:You have to treat it like there's such a deep compelling reason for me to do this. There's no other option. And we do this in life. Right? Like, if if there's something going on with my kid, like my son, I will move mountains to make sure he has what he needs.
Jen:Right? But we often do that for ourselves and think about what do we need to do to make this happen. If it's that important to us, take ownership of it and really deeply commit to it rather than have this superficial, like, well, I hope this happens. Like, no. Take ownership of it and figure out how am I gonna get there?
Jen:What blocks are gonna come up in my way, and how am I going to overcome those obstacles? I mean, to proactively think about that and assume challenges will come in the way and proactively think about how will I defeat that challenge? How will I get over that obstacle? What's my plan to make sure I have 99.9% success in this?
Kaitlin:Yep. And just to touch on this, I always encourage people to think about, am I, are these legitimate reasons, or am I making excuses? Yes. Because they are very different. You know, I often hear busy or what work or whatever, fill in the blank on why I can't and thinking about, like, one of those legit reasons on why you can't, or are we just making excuses to, you know, kinda justify what we're doing?
Kaitlin:So taking a pause and really thinking about those things too makes a huge difference as well.
Jen:Yep. I always tell clients, like, we need to and I've done this for myself, is take the word busy out of your vocabulary.
Kaitlin:Yes.
Jen:If you do that busy. Everyone's busy. Right. It's like take it for granted you're busy. We all are busy.
Jen:Yep. So if you take that out of your vocabulary as an excuse, you your brain has to work a little harder to figure out why why can't I do this? Because if that's if that's not an option, what is the real reason? So you can figure out, is it a true obstacle? Right?
Jen:Is it a true thing? Or am I making an excuse letting myself off the hook? Yeah. So and then even if it is a true obstacle, how can you overcome that? It's like for me when I was starting my business, my big obstacle was my son was really young, and I was like, I have a young child, and he's gonna get sick, and I'm gonna need to take care of him because that was, you know, more of my main role with my job flexibility.
Jen:I knew that would get in the way of the business I wanted to create and the time I needed to put in. So I had to think practically, like, what is the plan if that happens? How can I have grace that things might scale back during those weeks? But also, how do I make sure I don't lose momentum and lose consistency? So who can I rely on?
Jen:Who can I talk to? Who can I call? What can I do to make sure I don't stray off track too far when
Kaitlin:that happens? Because I know it will happen. Yep. Yep.
Jen:And then the last one, s, is support network. Like we talked about is knowing that we need a strong tribe to do it, that we can't do it alone. And who is that gonna be? Who's who are you gonna call? Who can you rely on support when things get really hard?
Jen:And even how can your family support you on your journey? Because oftentimes for us, it's like we need help from people to get it done. So, like, if when I want to work on a health habit like exercise, it is a conversation with my husband of, like, how are we gonna fit that in? Because our schedule is so packed, right, we're so busy. Mhmm.
Jen:And there's so many things and demands on the plate. It's like, where what do we need to shuffle? How do we help each other to make sure that happens? Because a lot of people don't communicate that, and then they get frustrated and upset or they feel resentful. It's like, well, I don't have time to do that.
Jen:Well, did you communicate that to your spouse, for example? Did you tell him or tell her that you really needed that space? And explain to you how you're gonna be a better person and partner and parent if you are able to get that 30 minutes in. And how can you do in a way that's maybe not going to be overburdening them? But find the compromise.
Jen:Find the working room in between because often there is a solution. We just need to take the time to sit down, have a conversation, and be creative and come up with it.
Kaitlin:Mhmm. Yeah. I mean, that's a good point with, partners. And, also, for us as coaches too, it's like we're not mind readers.
Jen:Yeah.
Kaitlin:So your partner is not a mind reader. We don't know how to help you if you don't ask or say. And so not, you know, communicating and not being afraid to ask for help is huge too in order to be to move forward.
Jen:Right. So that is the ACT Success Plan. So just as a review, if you guys wanna write this down and do some journaling, especially because it's January, a is for accountability, c is for consistent effort, t is for take ownership, s is for support network. So that's a great place to start to help you be way more successful and have a greater chance of meeting your intentions and your goals coming up in this new year. And the last thing I'll share is just something my spouse and I have adopted that we do yearly.
Jen:As we try in the Q1, ideally January or February, to sit down together, and we go on try to do on a date. Every year, it's not like that, but ideally go on a date, get a sitter, so we have a son, and have a lovely date. And then after that, brainstorm together and really write down, on the computer or on paper, what is the vision that we have for our family, and then what does that look like over the next year and 12 months in particular? And how are we gonna break that down? So we actually break it down into quarters.
Jen:Even though we think about domains like finances, what are our financial goals that we have, and what are we gonna do specifically, like the consistent small level goal steps, the short term goals to move us towards the long term goals to get us there, whether that's saving, buying a home, you know, big purchases, travel, whatever it is. We have family. Like, what do we wanna do as our as a as a couple? So things we can do to grow our relationship, whether that's going on a marriage getaway retreat or reading a devotional together or being more consistent in this together. Then even as parents, what do we wanna do?
Jen:Or family trips, what do we wanna do there? So you can choose whatever domains make sense for you. In health habits, we do that too. It's like, are we dealing with our health? Because that's important to us.
Jen:What do we need to do? What do we wanna change and improve? How can we help each other? So we, you know, have these basically, like, the acts conversation gets embedded in this yearly goal setting and vision casting where we talk about what we wanna see our family be like and what are the consistent small steps we can do to get there over the course of the year. And it's just a way to be in alignment with your partner.
Jen:It's a way to have clarity in what you're working towards together, to get on the same page. It's an awesome activity. It takes some time. But once you do it, it's like you have that for the year and you can reference back every quarter. And it's such a really it's a really cool thing that, actually, I know a lot of couples do.
Jen:So that's just something to think about and consider.
Kaitlin:I love that. Yeah. And also getting very specific with goals and intentions too, you know, with with that and not just it being some generic thing. You know, because when we set very generic goals, like, I wanna save money or I wanna eat healthier or okay, what does that exactly mean, and what are you going to do to get to that place? So it's being very specific.
Kaitlin:So you all, yeah, actually have, like, directions to follow and things to follow through with to actually be able to make it happen.
Jen:Right. So
Kaitlin:that's something I always, you know, work with people on too is getting very specific with goals and intentions and, you know, the actionable things that you can do to get there instead of it just kind of being this floating, very generic thing that we're always trying to reach or grab for.
Jen:Yes. Yeah. And if it feels overwhelming, I always tell people start with the big thing because it's easier. You should just say, like, I wanna be healthier or I wanna lose weight or I wanna, you know, save this money or buy a house, and then go backwards from there. K.
Jen:What is that 12 month goal? And then what would have to happen in, you know, 9 months, 6 months, 4 months, probably you wanna break it up. But break it up and then weekly and monthly. Like, what do you need to do to work towards that 12 month goal? Because like you said, it's gym 3 times a week, right, or 30 minutes a day.
Jen:And then it goes from there, and you build up from there. But you have to have very, very specific concrete things that you're working on.
Kaitlin:Yep. Yep.
Jen:Yeah. So that's it. That's what I have for you guys. And, hopefully, that was helpful, and, hopefully, it helps you feel more confident going into this new year and feeling more capable of accomplishing what you wanna accomplish. And, obviously, reach out to us if you guys need help with this because both Caitlin and I do this every day with our clients.
Jen:So we we get it. We know it's hard from a personal and professional level.
Kaitlin:Yeah. Yeah. I encourage you guys to actually sit down and think about it and do it.
Jen:Right. Take ownership of it, right, if it's important to you. Mhmm.
Kaitlin:Thanks so much, guys, for joining us again. Hopefully, this, was inspiring and give you some actionable steps, to think about, and we will see you next week.
Jen:Thanks for joining us on the Counter Culture Health podcast. To support this show, please rate, review, and share with your friends and family. If you wanna be reminded of new episodes, click the subscribe button on your preferred podcast player. You can find me, Jen, at awaken.holistic.health and at awakening holistic health dot com.
Kaitlin:And me, Caitlin, at Caitlin Reed wellness and Caitlin Reed wellness.com. The content of the show is for educational and informational purposes only. As always, talk to your doctor and health team. See you next time.
